On November 1, 2022, Koshin Sensei joined Paul Samuel Dolman to discuss his new book, Untangled. This conversation explores how this book is designed to heal society from our shallow “junk” pleasure-seeking culture, where people search for connection in the wrong places and keep their restlessness and anxiety at bay with unfulfilling distractions. Koshin states, “I think one of the traps of spiritual life, in my experience, has been that I was so interested in running towards the amazement, when I had so much hurt. I was so hidden from myself and I was hiding from others. So I was just really thinking about, how do we really reconnect with our history and the struggle that needs to be honored and cared for?”